They are not at the standard and the level of a team capable of winning the Premier league.
Arsenal, which has conceded three goals in each of its last four away games that have all ended in defeat, stayed in sixth place _ seven points off the top four with eight games left.
And Flamini concedes he did not enjoy seeing his former club suffer, adding that fans have a right to be angry because they expect to see more from the team.
Wenger, 67, has qualified for Europe's elite competition in each of his last 19 seasons at the club, but as his contract as manager enters its final few months and uncertainty surrounding his future persists, his team have rarely convinced.
Has Wenger reached the point of no return?
The Gunners have never finished outside the top four under Wenger's guidance. "Tonight the worry is not me, it's that we lost a big game".
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Looking shell-shocked and far less defiant than he often is at such downbeat moments, Wenger must have been devastated by the way the likes of Alexis Sanchez, Mesut Ozil and Theo Walcott went missing when he needed them most. "In the second half they came out strong and scored again. We have to respond very quickly and not accept it", he said. I think more of them want change.
"I just think now it's time for him to go", Hartson told BBC Radio 5 Live.
Wenger's future as manager has been the subject of much debate this season, and the defeat at Selhurst Park placed the Frenchman under even more pressure. "That's all I can say". "You could sense it had an impact on us after the second goal".
Summer signing Shkodran Mustafi received a barrage of insults as he emerged from the dressing room, highlighting the toxic atmosphere threatening to engulf the north London club.
The blueprint generally has been a 4-2-3-1 in which the full backs push forwards and technical midfielders of a similar ilk to each other play a short passing game and look to pick their way through opposition defences. "Palace were sharp, they beat Chelsea the other day, and that shows they have quality", said Wenger.
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